#177 Girish Bali's Tech Triumph: Unlearning, Relearning, and Rising to the Top

0:00:01 - Mehmet
Hello again to a new episode of the CTO show with Mehmet. Today I have someone who does the same as me. He's a podcaster, but we share also something in common. Girish used to be, and I'm not sure, girish, you would tell us more about your journey. You've been in tech. So, girish, thank you very much for being on the show today. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself, what you do and all the things that you do, and then we can take the discussion further. 

0:00:28 - Girish
Sure, sure. Thank you again, first of all, for bringing me here and being a guest here on your show. I've read about your show and thank you again for inviting me. Thank you very much. I've been a technologist and I'm still a technologist. For the last 30 plus years. I work in the cloud industry. 

Back in the days, I was all about networking and then that networking became cloud and then after cloud became cloud. So I think I'm still doing cloud. So I think that's all I've been doing lately. But in that aspect, it all started back in 2009 when I actually lost my dad. At that time and I did not know what needs to happen when it comes to my business, when it comes to my technology, when it comes to my health, when it comes to anything else. So things were very complicated in my head for many, many years and then COVID came and then I got laid off and that also brought me down. 

So this podcast which I created, which is Back to Basics mode I release episodes every day by the thought processes, how to make things simple and fun and educated, and I think in that whole process from 2009 till today's date, I'm actually very grateful that that podcast came into play. You know. We talked about business, marketing and technology. We talked about motivationing people. We even talked about fitness and health and nutrition. We also help people with finance issues and business issues, or Bitcoin for that matter. We talked about actors and directors. We even talked about even script writing. If you want to be a writer, is there a difference between a script writer and a writer? 

Is there a difference between a vegan guy versus a vegetarian guy. So for me is to ask all these questions to all the simple, amazing people that I've had on my show. Ask them the simplest question. Will they give a simple answer. That's the main thing of my show and so far I've done 400 plus episodes and I'm very fortunate that 2022, I became the top 10 best Asian host nominee also. So that's another aspect of it and this year, hopefully, I'll win one of the awards and I can only try to win. So whoever's listening right now, please go to you know podcast awards dot com and nominate you know the best Asian host, or even the best host, for that matter, for all the four podcasts that I released this year. 

0:03:24 - Mehmet
That's amazing. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing, giresh, and you know, like I think and this what you know I like about being a podcaster. I'm very new compared to you, of course. I started my journey just this year, actually in January but it's something that I wanted to do for a long time and the thing that I just figured out that we share is that, although I called it the CTO show, but there's a philosophy behind it, because people think it's only technology and always tell them the world CTO has a lot of meaning. It's technology, it's startups, it's business, it's small businesses, and you know I like to also help people through this, and you know what we share also in common. 

I just discovered now that you release daily as well, which is I've been doing. Of course, I was doing even weekends, but I stopped so to make sure that you know the quality stays as it is. So really amazing, I'm going to put the link. Please vote for Giddish. Like, really, guys, you don't know and I'm not speaking for myself, but I know how much podcasters put effort to get you know. You know the guests, the quality, the editing and so on. So really amazing Giddish, what what you have done so far? So, but let me you know, just as your podcast is back to basics, and go back to basics little bit, so would you find this intersection between tech and podcasting like what was you know the what you saw coming in the two worlds? I would say that you know, said okay, podcasting is where I want to be. 

0:05:05 - Girish
Well, you know, back in my young days and in the in the college and high school days, I said to myself that I need to be in the radio. I want to be on the radio. I wanted to meet celebrities. I want to, you know, chit, chat with them and get autographs, and that's just what, you know, teenagers used to do. And then, and the way back in the days was, the radio station was hi, my name is Girish, thanks for coming to to the radio station, right, and that was the, the momentum of how they used to talk. I was never like that. And so the manager of the radio station said that your style is kind of really crap. So I Said, if that's the case, then I'll, I'll just leave. So I'd left. 

But the way Podcasting is nowadays is the way I'm talking now very slow, very momentum. People, they understand you people, they want to know you better. It's more real than anything else. So, podcast as a podcast listener freak, I became a podcast host, obviously. So I think I Took two blends out of that right the, the teachings that I know about technology, and what I know about technology. 

I said to myself that if I teach people how to Understand technology, understand even cloud computing, for that matter. If I can actually teach my mom or my dad to understand what cloud computing is, you know you're. You're talking about a PC who's sitting in one location Logging in from a different location. Isn't that as equal as a cloud computing? Right? But obviously there's more details than that. But if you think about the basic stuff, that's just what it is right. You teach them robotics and what is robotics. You teach them a little Automation, or even AI, for that matter. I felt that this medium, the podcast medium that I'm coming in, I Can put into Blensom. I can bring the entertainment side of things, where I love to talk to people, and Then my knowledge when it comes to technology. You blend that in together. So I felt that these two mediums Kind of helped me in many, many different ways. So hopefully I answer that question for you. 

0:07:29 - Mehmet
Yeah, definitely, and actually, you know, I took the same path and maybe I have, and one podcast told me it's not harsh to repeat yourself. She was talking to me, so I'm repeating this again. It's similar journey I had because when, in 2019, I had the thought about it, but I was not very sure Yet, and because of the same reasons that you mentioned. You like, okay, can I do it? Will people like it? You know all this. When the pandemic came, you know, I started to sit with myself and say, okay, I need really to do something. I need, you know, I was sharing, just like links and articles on social media, but I felt I need to take a leap for that and then, end of last year, in 2022, the way I did it is. I Said, okay, let me find out what I'm passionate about and similar to what you mentioned, okay, I like to talk to people, because I was a con technology consultant and still I do it, of course and business Consultancy. So, yeah, I like to talk to people. So, let me, let me put this Okay, what else I know? I love to talk about technology, I love to talk about new concept, I love startups and everything you know, and I started from the famous start with why by Simon Sinek and you know, the Aki guy concept and all of these concepts come back to you know you need to find what you're passionate about and you know what you want to do. And this where I found myself in the Podcasting and here I am. 

Now I'm again like six months down the road. I feel myself. I've been doing this for a long time. I'm doing it in a very Building, public way, let's say so. I'm enjoying it and I'm really happy get it like. You have the same thing, you know, but of course, you've been like longer than me in in this and really I appreciate everyone like yourself who Put this effort to get content to people that they will learn from or they will be inspired by, and so on. Now my next question is and I'm believing in this so many tech experts like yourself and I think you believe that as well Believe that tech skills are better learned on the job rather than through formal education. Well, what are your thoughts? 

0:09:41 - Girish
on this. Well, I am a big advocate when it comes to Hard skill versus soft skills. 

I'm a very, very big advocate of that and and I've actually mentioned this more on season 3 of my show- the reason why I'm saying that and I want to go and advertise this here is that I am a college dropout Because I Didn't really care for education. Well, that's not true, is it? Because I think I really didn't really pay attention? As Youngsters are we never really paid attention to that. So I actually worked much, much harder when it comes to my work, when it comes to my business, when it comes to my technology. 

I kept on reading, I kept on learning. I learned it from my dad, I learned it from others, many, many others. So I felt for me itself is that I need to work on it as hands-on, and I Really need the hands-on in order to me to understand it. I want to break stuff in order to fix it. I want to fix it to make it better, if that makes sense, because the way I look at it is that all the stuff that I've done so far in my house, in my work, in my Consulting business, or even the the media company that I I built for my podcast it's all about training myself, learning by mistakes. 

Now every day when I go on a podcasting show. You know I've done many shows yes, I agree with that, and according to you, I'm more senior than you but the thing is that every day of my life, I think that I've started something fresh, something new. So the way I look at it is to your question is hands-on is the key to success. If you don't practice every day, if you don't practice AWS, if you don't practice Azure, if you don't practice networking and cabling or splicing, or even typing, for that matter, because nowadays typing is also a very necessary thing now, because you're coding To your question, I think practice is the way to do it. I mean hands-on, for sure. 

0:12:09 - Mehmet
I agree with you here, giresh, because sometimes I question myself and I question my friends as well. What are we using from what we've learned in college? Right, sometimes? Because majority of the time the best things that I excelled in were things that I never learned in a proper, I would say, course slash educational way. It was by practice. So when someone showed me a system and told me this is the manual, go figure it out, this is the best experience I have ever had. 

Give you an example when virtualization came first in 2000, I think it was quite some time, but when VMware started really to appear in the markets it was like 2005, 2006. I'm talking about here in Dubai I know in the US they might have some footprints before and someone told me hey, there's a new technology called virtualization where you can put a PC inside a PC Like this. Is how he was able to explain to me. And then he said can you figure it out? I said, yeah, sure, let me give you just the vendor name, I will find it. So just I googled them, downloaded the trial, put it, started to play with it and it was fun and I learned a lot. 

And then, when I started to talk to a couple of years later, with people who start to take the certificates, all the courses, all the things, and I'm discussing with them, said, hey, like which level have you been in the course? I said I never took a course and actually and the people know my opinion in this in all my IT career I never believed or took any certificates. The reason is can you figure it out, girish? Do you know why? 

0:14:10 - Girish
No, no, go ahead, tell me. I think I have an answer, but go ahead. 

0:14:14 - Mehmet
Yeah, the answer is because, first, knowledge, especially in technology, is very dynamic. So why I would take a course today? I mean I will take the course, of course, I have no problem taking the course but why I'm taking certificates for a technology that might become obsolete in a couple of years? So right, no point, I prefer to keep learning new things. The second thing, the way they did it is and here it's the whole educational system, and maybe I'm talking too much today, but I'm feeling this freedom because we are fellow technologists and fellow podcasters, because the education system is broken. I believe that, because they teach us that you have to do exam to pass, which I don't believe in. 

0:15:02 - Girish
What was your answer OK, so let me start from a little beginning, if you don't mind. 

0:15:09 - Mehmet
Sure. 

0:15:10 - Girish
In the elementary and high schools. They don't teach you how to be a good saver when it comes to financing. Who teaches you that? Actually, life teaching teaches you that no one in school tells you that you need to save 20% out of your income to make your savings. So that's, life teaches you that, or people teach you that. Or even the rainy day for the savings account, life teaches you that. When it comes to certifications, that's another teaching that people, they teach you, company teaches you. 

But I want to be a double advocate, because there's a plus and minus when it comes to certificates. A person who wants to get into AWS and they have zero experience on AWS, did you know that when you go for a certificate, they give you at least one and a half years or three years of work experience when it comes to AWS? So which means on my resume I can say that I had three years experience plus I had a certificate. So, yes, there are plus and there are minuses when it comes to certificates. 

You are absolutely correct that when you go for a certificate right off the bat, it's kind of obsolete, because it's just like when you're buying a car and coming out of a lot, your value of the car is going to be 10 grand less when you leave from the lot, right? So it's the same process for a certificate that the value goes down. Does it go down right away? No, but it's after a while maybe, let's say six, eight months maybe, or even for one year, for that matter. So then you're saying to yourself is I wasted $150 on a certificate which I was working on for almost a year? So there are plus and minuses. There's no right and wrong answer. So whoever is listening here, they have to understand there are plus and minus to everything in life that you do, including when it comes to your savings account, when it comes to your technology, when it comes to certificates, when you're buying a car or even just having a podcast. I mean, there's no right and wrong answer. It really depends on what fits you. 

0:17:34 - Mehmet
If that's possible. Yeah, yeah, 100%. And again, guys, it's my opinion. Don't be offended if you don't agree. Actually, and this is what I always tell it. Usually I say it at the end of the episode. If you don't agree, I would love to hear your opinion. 

And I've seen a lot of people who actually were able to accelerate their career using the certificates, but because what I noticed, they were laser focused on a couple of technologies and they didn't like did they blend of certificates just to show off? I know a couple of people. For example, if it's cloud, they go AWS all the way, if it's databases, they go Oracle all the way, or whatever technology. But yeah, but don't take me as an example. For me, I attended the courses but I never applied for the certificate. 

And this is because maybe it's from a personal experience. When I look back and I see my high school degree, college degree, and I say, ok, so what? So what? I've seen people who never had even a proper elementary school education and the thing that they know, it blows my mind Because they learned all by practice. I became a believer in learn by practice. Actually, now, one of the things while transforming from the technical role to more creative role, yerish and hosting a podcast. What are some, I would say, challenges, or what were some of the things that you need to maybe unlearn and relearn again? 

0:19:17 - Girish
Well, I'm a big believer when it comes to learn and relearn and unlearn. I say that all the time on my show. There are some few things when it comes to a podcasting world that I've unlearned If you watch my YouTube, if you listen to my audio on my podcast. Season one was a beginner's way of starting my podcast. Was it right, was it wrong? I really don't know. That's everyone to decide, but me as a, I'm very, very critical when it comes to my work, when it comes to my technology work, when it comes to my podcast world. I realize, because I'm a video guy, I'm a photo guy and I do events for weddings on the weekends. So me, on the creative side, I said to myself that I need to look myself in the mirror and say am I good on camera or not? So season one was I just need to get on the camera and show my work. I never really cared about visualization. I never really cared about the angles, the cameras or anything like that. I'm very critical about that. So I changed that over the years. Obviously, today you're seeing, the visualization is a little different when it comes to my audio. That is also something that I've learned over the years. Right, and I never really cared for a mic up here or down here or whatever right, and it's all about design. 

So I have learned and unlearned when it comes to my podcasting world, when it comes to unlearn and relearn, when it comes to my technology world. There are many, many things that I've unlearned. I'll tell you that, me dropping out of college and now I'm going back again, by the way, just an FYI, not for any reason whatsoever, I think I just needed to just finish it off and finish it, and that's just what it is. It'll be five years from now, 10 years from now, whatever it is, but I'm gonna make that happen. So that's my goal, for me, for myself. So that's my relearn. 

What I've unlearned is a lot of mistakes that I've done in my life when it comes to my technology world. People have told me that with my education and with my learnings, that I'm not capable. I've actually proved them wrong as of today's date, because I've started my own consulting company. I've started my podcast company, I've started my production house and I'm helping people like you, being a good podcaster. I've started a course. I've even started to do public speaking when it comes to kids and education. So I think I don't know how to answer that question, because my life is unlearn, relearn and learning again. I mean, that's just what I am all about if that makes sense, yeah, definitely. 

0:22:46 - Mehmet
But is there like one or two things that specifically you can talk about in this, like maybe something that really you needed to unlearn it and relearn it again Maybe? One when it comes to my podcast, or when it comes to my Can be from in the transition, during the transition, what was like one example that you needed to unlearn and learn it again. 

0:23:10 - Girish
Well, I needed to make sure, when it comes to my podcasting, I need to make sure there's no lights at the back. 

0:23:17 - Mehmet
Okay. 

0:23:17 - Girish
Because the reflection coming and the camera coming in front is not good, so the light needs to be in front of me. I mean, that's what I usually do on my photo shoots and video shoots, and I'm like why can't I do that from my podcasting world? Also, when it comes to my technology, I really, really felt that I needed to learn a little more and concentrate more, and I think I would have been better. There's one thing that I'm not good at Well, that's not true, because I'm getting a little better at it is me being a better leader for the organization. This is how I feel. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not wrong, maybe I don't have the confidence. Maybe I needed a mentor. I still need a mentor, but I from the business world, not from the podcasting world. 

0:24:11 - Mehmet
Okay. 

0:24:12 - Girish
You know, as a podcasting world. I am the mentor People. They come to me and I've done good things in there. So does that make me a good leader? Maybe in the world, a podcasting world? But I'm from the technology world. I'm still looking for a mentor. I need some guidance. That you know. 

There was a thought process back in the 60s and 70s when my parents. They taught me is that if you don't have a good education then you can be a good leader. That is totally false, because I think the thought process is still there, because that's how I used to think and I'm still thinking that. But the thing is that in today's world, who people? They don't have education, like me, you're telling me that they cannot be a leader in their own organization, in their own 500 fortune companies. That's totally false, right? Because if I'm running a podcast company, if I'm leading a podcast media company, so you're telling me in the technology world, for all the knowledge that I have when it comes to technology, I can't lead my organization. I can't lead 12 people, or even more than that for that matter. So I think the perception when it comes to the old way of thinking and new way of thinking is very different now. But how do you change that mindset? That's one thing which I think we're all still learning when it comes to mindset. 

0:25:44 - Mehmet
It's surprising, also for me, gerej, that we still need to change the mindset, although we have a lot of examples out in the wild. You know all the majority of the companies that people drop out, who established them, led them, took them to the next level. But I'm not sure. Is it like something related to society, something that someone want us to keep believing in this? You know, I'm not sure, but for me and maybe the first time I will mention something a little bit personal about myself so my wife was asking me what you would do if our daughter, she still have like three, four years to go to college and she decides not to go. 

I said it's her choice and you know that was oh yeah. But she have to take a college degree. I said it depends what she want to do in life, right? So yeah, of course I prefer that she goes because she will at least get the experience, plus, maybe she will study something that she would love. But it's for me, not me forcing. She have to be convinced that this is the good choice for her, right. 

So, yeah, this is my personal opinion on this matter. 

0:27:04 - Girish
Yeah, I mean, there's no right and wrong answer to you know. The thing is that I'm the most advocate person when it comes to college degrees. I don't have a college degree. The reason why I'm going for that is because, for my sanity, for my clearness in my head, has nothing to do with my career. Has nothing to do with my career. So I want people to understand that if they want to go and finish their degree, it has to be for them. It cannot be for future endeavors, for that matter. 

0:27:38 - Mehmet
Yeah, giddish, you mentioned regarding, you know, the podcast you've been like on for four seasons now and like you release daily, right? So I'm asking you because I get asked this question. So I want you to, from your perspective, to explain how do you manage to find the topic? You know do all the editing. I know maybe you know you have a team that helps you in this, but still it's an exhausting task. What gives you this energy after four seasons to still do it as you are doing it today? 

0:28:19 - Girish
Yeah, so, first of all, it's three seasons, so I don't know where I get the energy from. Honestly speaking, I think I balance my time management correctly. That's how I look at it. I don't. I Don't know how to answer this question. I Don't do recordings on Fridays. I don't do recordings on Saturdays and Sundays because that's me time. I time and family time, so I make sure that I disconnect from everything in the world and then concentrate on myself for Friday, saturdays and Sundays. So Monday through Thursday. I think I'm like a bulldozer. I make sure that everything gets done before my weekend is done. I plan ahead when it comes to my shows. You know, and the way I structured my show for season three is that I have this season, season three. I have released A four podcast this year instead of just one. So what I have done is I Do 25 episodes each Podcasts, which means a total of a hundred episodes Altogether for season three, and every year and every season is going to be the same way. 

Before, what I used to do is I used to go a little crazy. You know, I went 180 episodes before on season one, I went 160 on season two, and then now I said to myself that now people, they know who I am, what I'm all about. Why don't I structure myself a little? So I redesigned it, I went through branding, I went through changing, I went through color schemes and then I said to myself that I need to make sure that I'm only doing 25 episodes each podcast. 

So to your question time management is one thing that you need to do. If you don't do time management, then you will go haywire, you'll go crazy, your planning will go crazy. You know, I took a break from you know, one of the weeks of appreciation week. There was an appreciation week. So what I said to myself is I'm not gonna release any episodes At all for that week, right, but I do need to thank all the people who came to my show. 

So I think building up relationship, managing your time, it makes me a successful person All the way through. And these people when I say these people, I mean my guest, my amazing, amazing guest. I mean there, they're my celebrities. I Talked to my every single time, offline, on, on my LinkedIn. If whoever wants to follow me on LinkedIn, please go to Girish Valley At LinkedIn. You can go there. You'll see all the post, you'll see all their Collaborations that I'm having with, with my guests. I think I've built a small community out of that. So time management is the humongous key to To any successful or any business every anything whatsoever. 

0:31:35 - Mehmet
Yeah, actually the same thing for me energy. I believe if You're passionate about what you're doing, this one energy comes in the first place. Yeah, and I agree on the time management. So for me, I wake up very early and you know, I Structure my day in a in a way where I have time for recording. I'm doing and I'm not hiding anything, guys, I'm building this in public. I don't have big team. This is what I always tell you, even in the newsletter. 

Yeah, it's a one-man show, but how I'm able to do it and you know like I manage the time, I know when to do the recordings, I have time to do the editing, time for the releasing, and by time, it became for me second nature. 

So now, instead of spending because I remember the first 10 days or so where, like the most stressful ones, but after that it became like second nature so you know, I know what I have to do tak, tak, tak, tak, tak, you know it's, it's out, yeah, right, and again, I want also to thank every single guest who was on the episode for me, including. You get it. Thank you very much, because actually, without guests, I was doing solos, by the way, and I stopped doing solos now because, although people used to like it, but I felt that I need guests to speak, not only me to speak and have fruitful discussions. So that's amazing and Giddish, like from you know the three seasons Sorry, because I thought you mentioned four, four. So any Topic that you know you liked most, any like thing that you can mention, any guest that you you want to, to say, yeah, wow, like this episode, I did this episode or maybe I discussed With a guest this topic and really I enjoyed and I think it left, you know, a good impact on my audience. 

0:33:32 - Girish
Yeah, you know it's. It's like asking a, an actor and an actress that which movie do you like about yourself, right? And the answer that they say is that all of them are my babies. There's no right and wrong answer. When there's no favorites, it's like you know you have kids and who's your favorite kid? You can't answer that. So I'm gonna go and answer that same way. 

But I'll tell you one thing there's this one episode which I talked about branding, about branding yourself there. There, I'm gonna say two episodes. How about that? So one of them is gonna be branding. That's gonna be released this Tuesday or whatever, whenever this episode is gonna be released on July 11th. That's when it's gonna be released. 

We talked about branding and we talked about the employees Right. Are they supposed to be branding or not branding? Because they're employees of Right. As the employee, I don't care if I'm gonna be branded or not. Well, that's not true, is it so, then, that that was a really, really amazing topic when we talked about Then. What we did is we went a little overboard On the, on the recordings, and because we were really enjoying our, our topics. So what I did is I did a bonus episode also out of that. So we really enjoyed that. So I call that an after-party. That's only on the audio side of things, not on the video, because I felt that she was very knowledgeable and when I find some great knowledgeable people on the episode, I kind of dissect it. I kind of dissect their whole entire brain and put that into one episode or one Section or one bonus, as you want to call it. 

Yeah that's that. The other one is we talked about money and we talked about not how to profit your money in many, many different ways. I mean, there are so many episodes out there in the world, including maybe yours or anyone else's when it comes to managing your money, but the way she did it is she did it in a very attractive way, very, very amazing way. So those are the two ones, and we can talk about that offline and tell you the names. You can put that in your show notes if you like, but those are the two episodes that I felt for my podcast that I enjoyed, for season three, for that matter. Season one and two are different ones. If you want, I can tell you those too, but those are my favorite ones for now. 

0:36:21 - Mehmet
Yeah, for me it's a little bit strange because I'm still new, but again I was thinking, should I do season one, season two, season three, and then it looks like I will not take a break any soon, so I kept it like a continuous one. Someone asked me the other day who inspired, or who is your, I would say, the guy that inspired you the most to start the podcast? From frequency perspective, and all the names I mentioned, they do daily actually and they never stop. Actually they have, like now, thousands of episodes, like Gary Vee is one of them, of course. Like Jean-Luc Dumas is another one you know, like there are a lot of names that they do and Pat Lind also. That you know passive, smart, passive income. So these guys they do daily, daily and they don't have seasons actually, they keep continuously. 

So I decided to remove the season because I was putting season one episode I don't know. So now I remove. Yeah, time will tell me, but for me I enjoyed heartily, like every single episode, because what I discovered and this I'm telling anyone who's interested to start a podcast it's not about, of course, later it will matter, but for me at least now, it's not about how many downloads, it's not about how many people will watch that on YouTube. What I discovered after now six months? Wow, because I have to listen again and sometime I have to listen multiple times during the editing oh, wow, each guest was giving me a course, he's giving me a lecture, and for free, right? So? And now I discovered that I have a library of people who I've spoke to, like yourself, girish, and I'm sure when I will listen back to our discussion I would find, wow, like how much I learned from Girish today. 

Like this is for me. It's very, very fulfilling, actually, and this is what keeps me, regardless of I make money. I don't make money, of course, I never know, because my plan now is I'm focused 100% on this, although I have in my consultancy business, but I found my passion here and, of course, I've not hired it. We need to have an income at some stage. So, but I'm doing this currently really because I'm fulfilling a passion that I had since I was a kid, because I was also having my own tape recorder and trying to record myself and re-listen. So but the discussion for another day. I would say you want to say something, girish? 

0:39:03 - Girish
Yeah, yeah so if you don't mind. So you know, when I first started this, I actually said to myself that who's gonna go and listen to me? 

And then, and when I went further and when I did an intro, then I said to myself oh, people are listening to me, so I didn't really care about that. And then I realized that I need to concentrate on my work versus downloads. If you concentrate on your work, you concentrate on the creativity, the content, and you don't care about number of views, number of downloads, then I think you'll go a long way. I mean, that's how I focus my work and hopefully you'll do the same. And I don't think it really kind of matters. Well, it does matter when it comes to downloads and everything else, because that's a numbers game, but from a creative point of view, from a content point of view, you should more worry about your content than anything else 100%. 

0:40:05 - Mehmet
this is what I'm worried about now, girish. So, as we are coming close to the end, I have a very famous question Is there anything you wished? I asked you, and how would you answer that? 

0:40:18 - Girish
I don't know. You have asked me mostly everything. I mean, you kind of know everything about me. Hopefully, hopefully, I will come up with a season four, an amazing season four, for next year. Season three is almost over and hopefully I'll win my award or I'll get my nomination or whatever it is right. I can only pray that it happens. If it doesn't happen, that's okay. All I can tell you is it's still successful, according to me, because from season one till season three and now I'm thinking of season four, and it's only gonna grow much, much more. 

0:41:02 - Mehmet
No, I'm sure that it will, because I can see again the passion that you have put, also the knowledge that you have. I'm 100% it will be also successful. No doubt on this what I will do, because we talked about this. But again, I will be putting your website, the backtobasicmodecom your LinkedIn handle also as well, so people if they want to, and the podcast link also so you can tune into Back to Basic by Girish and as usual, as we come to the end, if you have. I mentioned this before but I'm mentioning as a habit now at the end of each episode. 

If you have a feedback, a question about this episode or the show engineer, I would love to hear your feedbacks or questions. You can reach out to me. You can find my email in the podcast details. You can reach out to me by LinkedIn or Twitter. I'm more active on LinkedIn. Also, if you have a story to tell, if you are a founder that won't take place too, because I know it's hard to do it, hard to do PR these days please come to me. I can tell your story, we can discuss it, we can see what you are doing. 

I'm looking for passionate people about tech, startups, podcasting, any topics you want to think about. This is why the CTO show exists and this is what I'm trying to do very humble way. Please reach out to me if you want to be a guest, same as Girish was today and again to do that. Reach out directly by email, linkedin or Twitter or whatever you prefer. All my handles are in the show website. You can reach out to me. Thank you very much for tuning in and hope to see you again in any new episode. Thank you very much. Bye-bye, take care. 

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