#184 The Odyssey of a Solopreneur: Tina Dahmen's Transition from Tour Operator to Online Entrepreneur

0:00:02 - Mehmet
Hello and welcome back to a new episode of the CTO show with Mehmet, and today I'm very pleased to have with me Tina. Tina, she's joining me from Bali. Actually, tina, the way I like to start, I don't do an introduction about the guest. I prefer the guest they introduce themselves. So the floor is yours. 

0:00:19 - Tina
Okay, hello everybody. My name is Tina, I'm from Germany but based in Bali, and I run a coaching business and a software business. So, yeah, I've built a six figure business organically in my first year. So if anyone is interested in learning about that, we're probably going to talk about building organic, building an audience organically and selling organically before you spend money on ads. So, yeah, how people to launch their online courses and coaching programs and service packages and then we help them build funnels and set up lead generation systems and things like that. And I also write for entrepreneurcom and many other publications out there which you may know of addicted to success or see a world magazine and things like that. So that's it about me, hello everybody. 

0:01:13 - Mehmet
That's great. Welcome on the show, tina. It's nice to see you here today. Now my first question is you know what drove you to be in this space? Because the coaching space and you know we see a lot of coaches, mentors. So what drove you to start this business? And then, if you can tell us a little bit also about the system I mean you said you have the software part of also as well, so if you can tell us about that and how it relates to the coaching you know which you are in. 

0:01:48 - Tina
Okay. So first question was how did I get into it? Yes, why did I get into it? Yeah, because I was actually running a company here on the ground which was a tour company in Bali, and I ended up relying on so many different factors, outside factors, which dictated whether I will make money or not, you know, like volcano eruptions or flight delays or many other things like the team. 

I've built, a really big team in Bali of tour guides and drivers and this and that, and I ended up with all these people and I was like, oh, hang on a minute, I actually don't want to do this. 

You know, I want to stay smaller, ish. I don't want to run a really big company in a third world country, where it's 10 times more difficult, I'll say, than running to a company in the first world country, for example, because I did that before as well in the UK. And, yeah, I decided to step back from that and I looked at all the things I've done in the past and I published a few digital products and I look back at what do I want in my life and what can I do, what have I succeeded in before and what can I teach other people to do too. So the location independence was really, really important to me and that kind of like lifestyle business sort of thing, and that's why I then got back into selling digital products online, because that's all the benefits which it brings with it. I was after those after my experiences here in Bali. 

0:03:19 - Mehmet
Yeah, that's great. So now, Tina, we know like when you start any business, whether it's in tech or any other thing, or digital products, the way you're experienced in it as well the important aspect, of course, is to start getting clients right, and so you say that you create free funds. Can you explain what exactly that entails and how it benefits not only the coaches, but also consultants, online entrepreneurs and anyone who's interested in starting a business online? 

0:03:59 - Tina
Sure, yes, so the software we sell, everyone can use it. As you said, it's like an all in one platform which replaces all the different subscriptions out there. So, and funnel building is one big part of it. So it replaces click funnels and is a lot better than click funds, for example. Right, and yes, getting clients is obviously very important step in your business, otherwise you don't really have a business, right? So the way I teach this is to sell your products before you create them in the first place, specifically when it comes to online courses, because, yeah, you don't need to put in the effort of weeks and months of creating products. Nobody has bought from you before. So I teach people how to sell those beforehand and we use funnels to do that. We help them to build free funnels as well, meaning well, let's just define really quick what is a funnel, right? 

Somebody comes in the front and you capture their lead, their email address and or their phone number. I suggest both, because then you can call them and send them SMS and things like that, which increases open rates and conversion in general. So you just really build your email list with a freebie funnel, for example. Then in the back end you nurture them. Nurturing means you send out an email every day or every few days, or maybe at least once a week, nurturing them with some specific content related to that particular niche, preferably targeting their pain points and their obstacles, and trying to already destroy those obstacles within that evergreen funnel. 

By evergreen funnel I mean this email sequence goes out all the time. It's not an X, there's no expiration date on it, like, hey, this is a Christmas promotion and it ends after Christmas. Right, this is like an evergreen ongoing email sequence and whenever you're ready to launch or when, depending on how your sequence goes really so either you want to launch and you want to warm up your people for conversion event this could be it anything like that a masterclass then you run it live and you close from there, or, if you want to do it a bit more less emotionally overwhelming, because launches are typically because they go on for like six, seven, eight weeks. Right, you've really got to put all the effort and the energy in you have. So if you don't want to do launches, you can then build up a funnel to say it's called funnel. 

You still send those emails in the backend which I just mentioned earlier, but the call to action is a little bit different and you get people on the call Depending on the price point as well. Let's say you sell low ticket. Low ticket is considered anything below $2,000, and high ticket is considered everything above that. In our world in the coaching consulting industry, right and yeah, if it's above 2000,. You got to put some face time in and speak to the people over Zoom or over the phone. Then the call to action in the funnel is book a call and you take it from there. 

0:06:38 - Mehmet
So yeah, back to you. That's a great explanation, I would say. Now the question is do you think this applies the concept that you just mentioned? Does it apply only for coaches, or can it be applied for maybe someone who's a consultant, let's say? 

0:06:59 - Tina
Sure, same thing Same thing, Same thing for consultants, for people who provide done for you services. This kind of funnel or this kind of strategy works for everyone really who is selling anything online, because price point is the same, the way you handle people is the same right. So it doesn't matter if you label yourself as a course creator or coach or a consultant or a done for you service provider or a service provider. It doesn't matter. 

0:07:27 - Mehmet
Yeah, now, usually when someone starts or comes up with an idea like what you have done, tina, it's because there was a pain point, or maybe people didn't even know that there's a pain point, and then you solve it out, right. So this is what I'm interested in hearing from you what was the moment that you said, okay, there's something wrong going on in this and we need to change. So what was, I would say, the thing that ticked in your mind to start this system or to build this system? 

0:08:04 - Tina
Yeah, there's loads, because I made all these mistakes before as well, so I am kind of like my target audience, so I know exactly what went wrong. What most people still do wrong in the industry. The first thing, first off, is they create a product before they've sold it, before they've launched it. That's mistake number one, because the only way you can actually create a really great product is well, first of all, you get the validation from the marketplace. If they've bought with their credit card, if they say, hey, I want to buy this thing, then you're good, like, okay, there's actually people who will pay me for this particular thing, right. Once you've done that, then you really want to build the product according to the, with the feedback. 

Let's say you're starting out first, right, like, and you have your first bit around running. Implement the feedback you're getting from your students right away, and this way you create a really great product, not just a good and average one. What you think as the expert needs to go in there, because if you're the expert, right, you probably have really had a journey and you may just forget little small details which makes or breaks it for the student, like, which helps them to connect those those neurons right, helps them to understand the whole thing, and you will be reminded on that what is missing, because they will tell you in the beta round they will tell you once, once you run the first few rounds of this particular product right, or if you sell the service package or the consultant package or whatever, they will tell you what they need. So it's got to be a mix of both what you as the expert know, what they need, and also what they're asking for. This way, you create really great scalable product. Okay. 

So, that was the first issue here people crafting their service packages and creating their digital content and so on, before they've even sold it. Then, because they obviously didn't know or I didn't know, and many people also don't know how to sell it online, how to actually run a full-fledged launch. Right, and the difference here is between launching and constantly selling one by one. For example, right, If you run a launch, a three-day challenge or webinar, you have a large intake of clients at once. It's a quick cash injection all at once, but then after that, what happens? Then you got to have things implemented which bring in that consistent cash as well, right? So a launch can be quite time consuming and it's exhausting. So you can't run one launcher. You could for some time, but after that you're exhausted. So you ideally want to have both things in place. 

So then the consistency comes then in with bringing people on a call, selling in the EMS. However you decide to really sell, I think it really also depends on your lifestyle, how you want to do it. Do you want to take sales calls, or are you maybe a busy father or a busy mom who also looks after their children simultaneously and you don't want to take calls? Then maybe lower your price and just sell over the EMS, things like that. Back to the question. The main first point is not really nailing down the messaging and then also creating the product before they've sold it and then creating it the wrong way. People wouldn't benefit as much from it as if they would create it with them, together with their feedback together. 

0:11:13 - Mehmet
So yeah, you want to say something. 

0:11:17 - Tina
Oh, there's loads of more problems I can mention, but that's really when they start. If you want me to dive into a specific problem in a specific space in the journey, where they're at, I can do that. 

0:11:29 - Mehmet
Yeah, just a quick note from my side. And the reason I asked you this question? Because, on the show, what I try to do is although like it's a CTO show, but again it's regarding the entrepreneurship and startups I wanted to, and you highlighted it very well, the pain points or the problem that you spotted so you decided to start this business, which is fantastic. Now, that's a little bit deep dive, if you want to say, but I will ask it in a different way. So where do you see the critical elements of successful online course launching? What are the main challenges? 

0:12:16 - Tina
Tech the back end. Most people don't have a back end funnel set up. I don't see you. Yeah, sorry. 

0:12:27 - Mehmet
Yeah, that's, fine. Yeah, no worries. 

0:12:32 - Tina
Yeah, so people don't have an evergreen back end funnel set up. The back end side is just missing. Here's some numbers for you guys to understand. So if people come in in the front end to you, 50% of those people will buy and 50% will never buy. Let's focus on the 50% which will buy 15, 15 are ready to buy right now. 85% of those people will buy in the next 60 or 90 days or later. So here's the problem If you don't have this nurturing sequence set up, for example, you've just wasted so much resources, time, money and effort to build that list, to get those leads in, but then they're getting called immediately again because you don't have any nurturing sequence set up in the back end. So really you could have made 85% more money, but right now you just got the 15% of the people who are ready right now and you just let the 85% go. 

That's one of the other main issues I see over and, over and over again in the industry. People just don't have that set up. 

0:13:30 - Mehmet
Okay. 

0:13:31 - Tina
Many people just don't understand these numbers and they think, oh, because they didn't buy now, well, let's focus on generating more leads. Well, that doesn't mean, the leads you have now are never going to buy, just implement, you know, really implement these, nurture sequences and things so that you can benefit from it later on too. 

0:13:51 - Mehmet
This is also like enlightening, I would say. Now, one other thing I want to ask you, like you mentioned putting a goal, right. So and this is it was a coincidence, maybe, because I've seen, maybe a tweet today, earlier in the morning, mentioning about, you know, defining a goal for yourself, right? So do you prefer that they should set up a number of students or clients or whatever, because they might be launching a course, they might be launching a business, they might be launching a service, whatever? So do you see the goal setting here as a number of who can I use the service? Or as a number in the sense of, let's say, this amount of money per month? Where do you see the best approach to do this? 

0:14:52 - Tina
Good question. Definitely I have to set the goal, otherwise where would you go, like you kind of like lost, you don't know the next thing to do. So the way I teach to my students is we have a six to 12 months goal, but also we break it down into smaller goals, like quarterly, three months, because so many things can change in only four, five, six months, and then we go back and we adjust the goals. Typically, one of my programs is, for example, five figure launches. People come in for a few weeks, they learn how to have five figure launches, and so we will teach in the financial formula, which is set your goal. How much money do you want to make with one launch? Because it's all organically, right. If you must, once organically, you can go 10x and just add paid ads to the mix and make it really big, right. So, yeah, how much money do you want to make and how many people do you want to impact? So, financial goal and impact goal Okay, depending on your price point of your consulting package or service package or course, whatever it is that you're selling, you can sell anything in the back of a launch, right? You can just make the easy math. Okay, conversion rate is between two and five percent in challenges or webinars, right, and then calculate from there how many conversions do you need and how big does my email list needs to be in order to get hit? That five figure launch right. But then, as I said, right, quick cash injection. 

What do you do? You want to get two dose, consistent, 10k months, for example. You got to implement different strategies. Of course, you have to have the goal, because you need to know what kind of strategies to implement. Depending on your goal, the strategies will be different. What gets you to six figures will not get you to seven figures, right. So, but people who are just starting, for example, they don't need to worry about paid ads, they don't need to worry about strategies that seven figure goal people would implement, for example, building teams, implementing paid ads, things like that. If you are below the seven figure range, then there's other things we need to do before that. 

So, yeah, setting goals is very important knowing your north star, where do you want to go, where do you want to lead your company, what is your vision, what is your drive behind the whole thing, because if you lose that out of sight, like I think, it's so important to keep your why In front of you at all the times, because times sometimes will be tough. Let's face it like this is business, right? So you gotta remind yourself why am I doing this Then? If you don't have this, why? If you don't know where you're going? May may be driven by financial goals or impact goals. Whatever your goals is, it doesn't matter for you personally. You need to just know it and remind yourself on when times are tough. Hey, remember, you can get through this. You know I will have much bigger problems if I don't just remember remind yourself on this. 

0:17:32 - Mehmet
Yeah, that's, you know, like it's. I like the goal-setting approach. Usually, I mean in a sense of the why right, so why you're doing this, whatever business you're starting, especially, we see founders in tech, probably, and in consultancy that, yeah, okay, let's, let's start this business. Because, why? Because, yeah, I'd say successful business, but, okay, how do you define success? So this is why it's very important to To put such goals or, let's say, to put these I, you want to call them calibers, you want to call them KPIs, like people put different names, but they are simply, you know, answers to wise and again, it's very Informative, I would say, the way you describe it. 

Now I want to come back and a little bit highlight this, because People who are starting any business, or you know they have an idea, they want to launch it, they have a server, they want to launch it. They have something that they want to create, a coaching package around it. You know it doesn't matter or it applies in all cases, in my opinion, they have some, I would say, maybe lack of knowledge about. You know marketing right and go to market, and you mention that it's important to To focus on organic traffic before spending money on ads. Why you think so? 

0:19:06 - Tina
because If you're just starting, you've never put out your message before, you've not sold it, why would you go and waste money on ads? Because Facebook, youtube, whatever platform you could spend money on ads acts like a black hole. First, like they go out and they test it as well. Doesn't work. Doesn't it work right if you put up posts and your messaging on social media organically, and it doesn't work, it doesn't matter, right? So why not test it out before? Because before you hit 10k months, all of these Foundational things are not set in place. Your messaging is not right. You're not talking to your ideal customer, my avatar Specifically. Who even is your ideal customer my avatar, right? 

I see people in the industry Running ads to their Instagram accounts to just build followers, without even having set up an opt-in link on their Instagram account. Then you see the website and they speak to all sorts of different people offering all sorts of different things, and they wonder why nobody's buying. Well, because everyone is confused looking at your messaging, because you try to speak to everyone. If you speak to everyone, you speak to no one, unfortunately. But people will buy from you if they feel like you understand their problem the best. 

People will not buy from the person who has the better product. That's the very interesting thing. Let's say, here is person number one selling a consulting package on the same topic as person number two, but person number one has more inclusions to the whole. Quality is better, better case studies, everything is better. But the person number two, the coach of Consulting number two, addresses the pain points so much better in their marketing. They talk directly to the customer avatar and the customer avatar feels understood. That's what it's really about, right? People Want to feed people want to be heard, seen and understood. If you can master this in your marketing, he will always sell more than the person was the better product. 

0:21:03 - Mehmet
Yes, you touch on a very good point here and we see this mistake comes again and again of people thinking of the volume versus quality or quantity versus quality, and I think what you just mentioned about finding the right avatar, or what we call it sometime your ICP or some people they call it like the USP right, so whatever you want. So it's like your Ideal customer profile or the ultimate selling Profile. So All this are important in my opinion, and we see and, by the way, funny enough, this happens across the board, like it applies to not only what you do, tina, like I mean you focus on consultants and coaches, but it happens also with with other founders who go with a B2C product or they go with a B2B product and Because they think that you know, oh yeah, I'm doing something cool, so people would be interested to talk to me, which is not the case. We see it this again and again, now shifting gears a little bit, and you mentioned when you introduce yourself that you know you've been like Kind of nomad. 

I would say so I'm interested to ask European about you know, this movement that we started to see. It's not something new. It started a couple of years back, like maybe more than 10 years back, but now we are seeing more and more people. You know they are aiming to become solopreneurs. They want to do this one-man business. Tell me more about that and your experience and what you tell somebody who is maybe thinking, or she's thinking, of doing it. 

0:22:51 - Tina
Sure, I think there's two sides to this thing. It's like maybe, yes, solopreneur, but also the location-independent freedom, right? So I really wanted to have that. And that ties back to you mentioned success earlier, so I actually also wanted to touch a little bit on that. 

So, define for yourself. What does success mean? To me, success means I can go wherever, whenever I want, without being tied to my desk to work or whatever, because I can also work. I can go, fly back to Germany and look after my parents if they need me, and then keep working from their house. Because I can, because I have set up intentionally my business in a way that I can do so when it's time, and I've actually had to do this last year. So my auntie, for example, wasn't well and I went there for three months and looked after her because I could, because I've set up my business in a way. If I would be stuck with a big team in the cubicle or with a location somewhere, it would be very, very tough to leave for three months and try to keep the party going. So for me, success means that I can do whatever I want, whenever I want, if I need to, if I want to. 

So for other people, success could look very different. They want to build a big organization and a big firm with loads of people and have a big team and things like that. That's just not me. For me, for example, I'm happy with myself as a solopreneur, with a few contractors and a little tiny team behind me who do different things like video editing and tech support and things like that. So I don't want to have a big company. That's what success means to me and I think in the nomads, specifically after COVID though, like many people before, it was like oh my God, you're doing this thing, how are you going to do it? But I think since COVID hit and so many people needed to work from home, it's a bit more normalized and now they're like that was actually pretty cool, I just want to keep doing that. 

It's a bit more accepted and a bit more normalized after the COVID period that people just can work from anywhere and it's actually more cost efficient for loads of companies as well, or for themselves too. And if you don't need to commute to work, be stuck in traffic and you lose that time and that energy goes away from your daily focus Continental may say so and things like that. So that's really for me, what success means is the lifestyle. I've built a business around my lifestyle, right, so it's really up to the people out there. What do they want to do? Like? I've met people. They have 100 people employed, same industry, they're focused on coaches. They're not happy with the setup. They looked at their numbers like, well, we are spending so much money, we don't need all these people. What are we doing? 

It's like for me that would be my biggest nightmare to have 100 people employed and try and run a party here like that. I would never do that again, right? So well, not again. I didn't have 100 people employed, but many, and I didn't want to do it. So what was your question? Sorry. 

0:25:52 - Mehmet
Yeah, you answered it actually, but yeah, so just I asked you do you see it like? I asked you about your experience, but do you see it now a trend, being a solopreneur and more people? By the way, it's not related to geography, it's not related to a certain I would say the demography also as well, but are you seeing it as a trend from you know, because you've been doing this for quite some time? 

0:26:20 - Tina
Yes, I do, and it's becoming more and more popular. When I first started with this, that was probably 2014. And digital normats that was like the new word. There was this one German blogger. She blocked about how to become location independent and how to build your business online, and she was like the first who became really big. And then everyone kind of like followed and the movement just growing, growing, growing. So, yes, definitely, because it's so attractive to everyone. And why would you not want to go live in Bali if you can work from here? Like why would you sit in Germany in the winter, feel cold? Your bones are already hurting because it's so cold. You're stuck with your car. You can't even drive because it's icy on the roads, things like that. Like, why would you not choose a better life for yourself? It's not just solo people, though. 

right, I have many friends who actually are nomad families as well, so they are together they are kids, right Like they travel around the world with their kids because they can, so it's also a very good education for the kids, I would say, if they learn first-hand traveling what's going on in the world. So, yes, definitely the movement is growing a lot bigger and it's becoming a little bit too saturated, in my opinion, because all I hear is this and I'm living in a hot spot currently we met in Dubai, but I'm currently based in Bali, so Dubai is very different to Bali, right Like Dubai is a bit loads of more serious people versus Bali. It's a lot more people really focused on this kind of lifestyle. They want to go serve while making their money on the side things like that. 

So I'm kind of like living in a hot spot in the village of, in the capital of coaches, really in the capital of nomads, that's what they call it. There's even a cafe down the road. It's called Cafe Coach. 

So you know it's like two years old, I think, that cafe. So it's more and more just, really. Businesses are being built around targeted towards nomads. Cool working spaces left and right you can see them everywhere. Yeah, so many many destinations make it more attractive for location independent freelancers, coaches, consultants, any kind of like. Not just that, like, also many companies now keep their workers location independent and they can work from anywhere. So it's really like in general, this movement yeah. 

0:28:35 - Mehmet
Yeah, so 100%. And I agree with you on the difference in in, you know, between place, like in Bali or Dubai. But the thing that I can tell that, yeah, maybe someone go to Bali because they like surfing and all this stuff, but maybe someone who comes to Dubai again, they want to be this, you know, have this independence, I would say, but they like the lifestyle which is over here, right, so someone might go to, you know, it's not, it's not like popular like before, because there are a lot of, you know, discussions about what's happening there, but, like Lisbon was one of the hotspots as well, you know multiple places, I think there are a lot of cities and towns in Latin America also as well where people like to go. The thing that I, if I can put my two cents here, is the reason we see people doing it more because corporate messed up, I would say. And they messed up because people started, especially after COVID and you know what is it now so called recession, or so people figure out that, oh my God, the company that I thought I'm going to retire from, you know, I discovered that I'm just a number in their Excel sheet, right, and you know the first small hiccup that happens, the small, you know. 

Breaking news, which might be true, might not be true, comes up and you see these companies and we saw it in COVID, by the way, when there were like layoffs while some people were hiring, like Amazon's, you know. And then you know, e-commerce business boom, but in some other business there were like layoffs because they thought that everything will stop but it didn't happen. And now again we start to see it. Since last year, I think I'm not sure about the current number, but I think we reached, I think we crossed a million bar of people who were led off from technology companies. So, yeah, so it's not only lifestyle, I would say. But if you ask me, it's not about, I mean, you know, because I want to do surfing, but because I don't want to be a number, I want to be me. 

0:30:48 - Tina
Absolutely yes. That's the actually overall message of my entire. This is the overall message why I do what I do independence, right, helping people to be more independent, not just on location, but also like this Like if you have, if you have a job somewhere and that's like your only source of income and you take care of a family, for example, the wider heck, do you not have a backup? Seriously like, please, work on a backup. Like you don't have to build a million dollar coaching or consulting business until tomorrow, but you can start on the side and build something really nice which you can rely on whenever your boss says see you later, right, I don't understand this kind of thinking because now, hopefully, more people wake up. But please, people out there, wake up more because, as you just said, you're just a now on exit right. 

0:31:39 - Mehmet
One more thing I want to add. I'm not against against like companies, like, if you can keep this culture and I think we will see also this movement of having like small companies which are like maybe not more than 10, maybe 20 people, which they can be like really France and family kind of environment, maybe these guys will survive. I mean, people would love, you know, because at the end of the day, we are social creatures so we need to interact with other people. 

We need to have colleagues, yeah, but I think this big enterprise corporate thing, of course they will still exist, because you have the Google's, microsoft, all these guys. Of course they, you know, these companies will still exist, but we will see more solopreneurs and we will see like group of entrepreneurs let's call them now like this hanging out together. So this is my own thinking. Yeah, tina, you want to add something before I ask. 

0:32:38 - Tina
For sure, yeah, yeah, I really want to touch on this real quick. That's so important that you said that about having colleagues and things. That's a very big discussion in my, in my community, where more people are like me, like solopreneurs, working from home or having a tiny team and not seeing them because they're all remote, working remote. It definitely is tougher times like you buy yourself, like you don't have an office with colleagues, right, like there's always like pros and cons to all the situations. Right, like yes, it's nice to have colleagues and socialize with them if you get along. There's also scenarios where people hate to go to the office because they hate their co-workers, right, but they're stuck in the office or wherever job. 

But, genuinely speaking, the idea of human interaction is very important and it's a very big problem in this kind of scene where I'm in. So you really have to be proactive in going out and meeting people, like we did, right, like I went to this networking event in Dubai where I met you. So you know, maybe I wouldn't need to do all of these things if I would just have my stable social circle around me, around the block and from work and things like that. But that's, I think being proactive is also a bit of a value or a trade of an entrepreneur anyway, so, but it is definitely a big thing you should consider if you at some point are thinking about taking the leap of leaving your job, if you have one or maybe already an entrepreneur and you work from home by yourself and you can very much relate. 

So I would encourage you to now pull up meetupcom and schedule your next meetings so that you just get some human interaction, because it's so important it can be done, at least sometimes, for sure, 100% and all. 

0:34:23 - Mehmet
you can do something which I did. You find a body right and this body is like you, and then you sit together and then you start to brainstorm and you do all this Right yeah. Yeah, as we come to close to the end, anything you wished I asked you, and how do you answer it? 

0:34:40 - Tina
I mean, I could talk with you for hours about all of these topics, so I don't know. I think it was a quite good conversation. Thank you so much for having me. I hope it was useful for your listeners. And I don't know if they have any questions, where are we going to post this? Just pop them in the chat below. 

0:34:57 - Mehmet
I would say yes, where they can find more about you, because I'm going to put this in the description when they can find more about you. 

0:35:06 - Tina
I'll probably send you a link where all my links Tina Dahman, my namecom or CoachMarketingAppcom, or my channels, my YouTube channels and things like that you put it there. If anyone is interested in talking about any of that stuff, you can hit me up. 

0:35:21 - Mehmet
Okay, great, I will make sure of that and thank you very much for being with me today, tina. I really appreciate the time. I know like we have a very tight schedule over there and, as Tina mentioned, if you have questions for her or for me, you can always reach out, and this is the way actually, I add every episode. If you have question feedback good or bad, I don't mind, I like the bad feedbacks, by the way so hit me with them and let's discuss. You can find me on LinkedIn, where I'm most active. You can find me on Twitter and you can send me an email also as well. 

And if you are interested to be a guest same how Tina was with me today don't be shy, reach out and, as you can see, I can accommodate different time zones. I have guys from the US, I have guys from the UK and Europe. I have people who are the second guest from Bali. By the way, tina, I had guests from New Zealand, which is on the other side of the world. No problem, I can accommodate the time to do the recording, because the mission of the CTO show although it's like a kind of a technically name, but the goal is how to empower young entrepreneurs, maybe in tech, maybe in other businesses, but we want to empower as much as possible. This is why we have guests from different backgrounds, from different fields. So, if you are interested, get in touch with me to be a guest with me. We are trying to get the best of the best and I'm hopeful that I'm succeeding in this. 

Well, thank you very much for tuning in today. As I said, you will find the links that Tina mentioned in the description. If you are listening on the favorite podcasting platform, you will find the description. If you are watching this on YouTube, you will also find it in the description. And until we meet next time, thank you very much and see you soon. Thank you. 

0:37:09 - Tina
Bye, bye. 

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