#265 Unlocking Creativity: A Pathway to Innovation and Entrepreneurship With Patrick Williams

0:00:01 - Mehmet
Hello and welcome back to a new episode of the City of Oshawa with Mehmet. Today I'm very pleased to have with me Patrick, joining me from Nebraska in the US. Patrick, the way I love to do it is I keep it to my guests to introduce themselves right, Because I believe no one can introduce someone else better than themselves. 

0:00:19 - Patrick
So the floor is yours. 

Thank you very much. I'll do my best, mehmet. My name is Patrick Williams. I'm a lifelong artist and I do creativity consulting with businesses and entrepreneurs, mentorships, working with individuals, teamwork and with entire businesses to assist them restoring their innate creativity. Not getting them to be artists if they like. That, that's great, but I'm interested in having people connect with their creative selves so they can do innovation and other work inside their business more easily. I'm also a TEDx speaker. I have, I'm working on a couple manuscripts that are related to creativity, and my wife and I have had a non-profit for 22 years arts education and healing, so I have many hats, so to speak, that I put on throughout my day and my week. 

0:01:32 - Mehmet
That's great, Patrick. Some people ask me, although your show name is CTO Show, why you have a blend of guests and, honestly speaking, I believe because you mentioned something and we will talk shortly about it about creativity and your work with businesses, and always it's good to have someone maybe like yourself, Patrick. You've gathered all this experience and you are into the arts also as well, so you can, I think, shed a lot of light, but I'm interested how this diverse experiences between art teaching and all the other work that you do have influenced your approach to innovation. 

0:02:24 - Patrick
Yeah, that's a great question, my man. I believe that you tuned in on something very important that I am not inside the larger business world, so that you know some people think that's a disadvantage, but I think it's. There's a lot of advantage to that, because I'm able to see things that a lot of people are just so used to that they miss it. And so I'm attempting to bring all of my cast of teaching art, teaching martial arts, also karate and aikido, and those bring very interesting cross domains together. And that's part of what I emphasize is that so often businesses, let's say a team, is working on a project and they're so focused on that one project that they start to miss out on opportunities where innovation can come into their awareness. 

And that's one of the one of the many parts of my exercises that I assist people in being more aware of themselves and how they relate to them, the world around them, their environment, but also to their, their teammates or their coworkers or whatever they're, whatever they might be doing with respect to business. So it's a matter of assisting people in seeing the world in a larger context, and I've gained that from all of my experience teaching children and teaching adults, and those are somewhat similar, but they're. It takes a little bit of. It takes more finesse actually to teach adults than it does to teach children. Children are open and ready to learn, especially when it's fun and exciting. So I bring with me a lot of awareness around how people learn and and often what gets in the way of people learning, especially adults. Adults often have a lot of often have a lot of small and large things blocking them from connecting with their creativity or, more properly, reconnecting with their creativity. 

0:05:07 - Mehmet
That's great insight, patrick. Now, when I was preparing, you know, and I've you know, I've seen, like the work you have done and you know the topics that you usually talk about, and there are two words that actually even me on the show I keep repeating right? So we talk about, sometimes, creativity and sometimes we talk about innovation. So, in your opinion, are they two separate things? First, if they are so, what is each one then? So let's keep to this. So I don't, I don't take, you know, the questions you know, forward. 

So, because I will have a lot of questions, so yeah so let's, let's, let's, let's focus on what's the difference between innovation and creativity. 

0:05:56 - Patrick
Yeah, that's a that's a giant question and I believe that creativity is, is, it precedes innovation. That's why I'm I'm really I'm excited and focused on assisting people with restoring their innate and inner creative awareness and their creative self, because I believe if you don't have a strong connection to your creativity then you will not get to the innovation. People want the innovation. That's the big fish, that's the next big thing that they want to get. But they can't get to that if they're not solid in their creative awareness and their creative potential and seeing that, making it kinetic not just potential, it's all potential inside of us, but making that a kinetic action that then moves into innovation. I think innovation is. They're very similar, but there's a different quality to innovation. Innovation is often as I started to look into the levels of how businesses relate to innovation, which is obvious that business are connected to the grid system. There's a step one, step two, step, three, step, four, step, five, however many steps there are and businesses are in that spreadsheet mentality, which is great, that's a superpower. Businesses need that spreadsheet awareness. But within both creativity and innovation, there are especially creativity. Creativity is massively intangible, which makes businesses a little bit nervous. They want to see, oh, if I do these three steps with respect to creativity, I'm going to be creative. Well, there may be three steps, there may be a hundred steps, but that doesn't mean that you're going to be creative. Creativity is a quality that emerges, that can emerge in a sudden flash, a light bulb moment. Satori innovation is the name of my business and Satori is a Japanese word that means sudden awakening, sudden awareness. That happens, and often with big innovations that is exactly how it happens is a spark of creativity, literally ignites an idea and then that idea can be followed through. In some ways, innovation is the following through of the creative moment. But inside of innovation, I believe creativity still needs to be happening. There still needs to be a window open, so to speak. In the room of innovation. There has to be either a window open or door open or some kind of inner space that the creative can be active, in a way like lighting a candle in memory of someone or lighting a candle as a celebration of a birth. Lighting a candle I'm not telling people to light candles, but if that works, great. But lighting a candle inside your space that is your innovation space is going to remind you the creativity is still necessary and still happening. So one of the. In a way, it's not necessarily an exercise, but one of the things that I assist people with is having some part of your environment. Let's say it's your office at home, your office at work, the team space, the team area that you're doing team meetings in, but have some objects there. If it's just you collect a few objects that remind you of your creativity or reminds you, having a, like a little reproduction of Monet painting or a poem, a roomy poem, whatever, will trigger your feeling of oh yeah, that's that's creativity. That will help you with the innovation. 

The innovation is the. In a way, the innovation is the long path and creativity is the is the exciting vistas that you may be on a mountain path and you're in the trees, and you're in the trees and every once in a while you pop out, you stand on a boulder and you look out over the entire mountain range. That's the creativity. You're still on the innovation path, but then you go back into the trees and you may be there, for you know, a mile or so, and then you go back into another beautiful area that you're. That's your creativity awareness or your creativity moment. So the creativity has to be always within you as you're working through your innovation process. Does that make sense? 

0:11:48 - Mehmet
100% makes sense. So you know, I've got it so so. So the innovation is the end goal, right, and creativity is the vehicle that will take us to that end goal right. 

0:12:02 - Patrick
Right yeah, and sometimes. Sometimes you're in a Ferrari and sometimes in like a Ford Pinto right. 

And sometimes, sometimes the car breaks down and it's like, oh my God, what am I going to do? That's part of the creative process and in fact I assist people. Those are really important parts of the creative process, that sense of being stuck and being frustrated, because when we're frustrated, in a healthy sense, we're going to be actively searching to unfrustrate ourselves or we're going to be looking and thinking and feeling about how to become unstuck. So those are. When the car breaks down, it's a sign that obviously something isn't working and I got to figure out how to get it working again. And that will launch you, not easily, sometimes easily, sometimes it takes work but that will launch you into another level of of both the creativity and the innovation that will push you forward. 

So we all want to possibly we all want to stay in the Ferrari. Right, we can't always drive the Ferrari. We need to be exploring. You know some, if you're going to go up into the mountains like way up on some really rough road or off road, you're not going to take the Ferrari. You know you're going to take the Jeep to a four wheel drive vehicle to get it back into the backcountry. And sometimes the greatest innovations and the best creativity are in those backcountry roads where nobody else has been. 

0:13:57 - Mehmet
I agree with you, patrick. Now, of course, you know this. I would say is I will focus more on creativity because you know it's, it's like it's, I believe, and I agree with you, if you have the creativity, the innovation will come somehow. Okay, maybe in short time, long time, and because you know I cover about, you know, startup founders, entrepreneurs and so on. So one thing you know, when I have discussion with people and this is I don't like to hear it, but unfortunately some people are like this you say, okay, why don't you try to go and do something? 

Say, oh, I'm not creative. You know, I'm not this kind of guy, you know I'm just you give me something. I do it like I made kind of a task achiever, kind of a person, but I say no, I don't believe so, right, and I think you can. Everyone can be creative. So now the question, patrick, is first, am I right? Is everyone can be creative? And if someone you know he or she's not able to figure it out, like, okay, how I can get this creativity? Where I can learn about gravity, can I actually be taught how to be creative? 

0:15:13 - Patrick
It's super question and it's people often ask it. My first response is that yes, you are creative. When you were a child, you were naturally creative. Your creativity was innate. You were a creative dynamo. You didn't have to think about being creative, it was just a natural state of who children are. It hasn't gone anywhere and it really can't go anywhere. It is always within you. Reconnecting to it is the process that I assist people with. 

One of the explanations in my I'm preparing a manuscript and within the manuscript it's based on my philosophy of creativity. Part of that is something I call creative colonization. That explains partly why people feel exactly how you described it. I can't be creative, I can't draw, I can't write, I can't play a musical instrument, whatever. That is connected to what I call creative colonization. 

It's when children are pushed away from their natural creative processes, their play, their imagination, their imagination. They are not just creative, they are not just creative, they are creative, they are creative, they are creative, they are creative, they are creative, they are creative and it's a strong word, but it really describes this ripping from them, ripping from children, how they naturally learn. All children and actually adults, we all learn through our play, our imagination and our creativity. Then it kind of turns into education, and education is based on rote and memorization and often not fun. There are, of course, all of us learned things in school, but those are the things that we were really excited about and really engaged with Math, maybe something that a six-year-old girl or six-year-old boy loves, and so they're going to learn a lot of the math qualities and the math exercises and thinking with numbers With other kids. That may not be an interest. They may love writing, they may love drawing, like I did. 

So the focus of children learning is connected to their play, and as we go through this kind of creative colonization process, we come to a moment it may be one single moment or it may be just a series of events that we experience what I call a creative collapse, and that's when we stop doing a part of our artistic expression. We stop singing, we stop dancing, we stop wanting to play a musical instrument, we stop drawing, any of these things that we love to do in a very creative mindset, we just stop, and then I describe that as a kind of creative void that occurs, and many adults, sadly, are inside this creative void and that's part of why they say or why they feel I can't do anything creative. I can't draw, I can't paint and that extends into I can't be creative in my business, because they have this in a way, this weight of not feeling like they can be creative, but they are, because they were when they were children. Before that creative collapse happened, they were totally creative. 

So the person that says I can't, I don't have a creative bone in my body I hear that often if I say that I'm an artist. So I tell them that yes, you are creative and it's a matter of scale. When you're restoring, when you're beginning your journey of restoring your creativity, you make small steps and you build on that. It doesn't happen in one. It could, it might. That would be great if it happened in one moment, in one fell swoop. That is possible and that does happen. But be prepared for it to take a while to get back into the inner awareness of your natural creativity, because it's there and it can be reconnected to. 

0:20:23 - Mehmet
Well, that's very encouraging, I would say, patrick. Now the question is OK. So the key here is someone. They've got to be a little bit passionate. They need to take it easy. I would say, not to force themselves. Why am I not creative, something like this? So it's like they need to give it to the natural flow. But is there anything that can maybe accelerate this little bit? Is there some kind of activities that they might go engage? Maybe it's because you mentioned going to mountain or maybe something like this. I don't know. You're the expert, patrick. So what I can do, if today I am a moment and sometimes I feel this also as well, I'm not saying I'm not creative, but I feel today, you know what, nothing is coming to my mind. I don't know what should I do, but I'm sure that I know some of the tactics. But I want to hear that from you, patrick what can we do to a little bit accelerate things or let at least see even small enhancement that will encourage us to wait and keep moving? 

0:21:31 - Patrick
Absolutely yes. That is what people want to know is how to restore their creativity, and I have a lot of exercises and suggestions. One of them is you mentioned it and I've already spoken about it is get out into nature and if you're not near nature, then go out and walk. Take a walk around in a city park or whatever it might be. Hopefully there's some kind of there's a lake, a pond or some trees, some grass, whatever it might be. Just get out in nature and relax and just allow your mind to be as free as you possibly can, which is, in some ways. I also encourage people to do breathing exercises, and there are lots of. You know I walk people through some very simple methodologies of breathing awareness. There are I think there are probably millions of people for sure, thousands of people on YouTube who do breathing exercises, for people teach people how to do simple breathing exercises. But that is an absolutely necessary part of getting back in touch with your creativity is relaxing your body, relaxing your mind. Breathing is going to do both and it will allow you to distance yourself from kind of the spinning thinking place where people get into All of us have it when our mind is just spinning and spinning and spinning, and it almost spins more on spinning because our thoughts get in a kind of a trap, kind of a wheel that just is rolling and rolling and rolling. Breathing doing some breathing, simple exercises, you can just breathe in and breathe out, with thinking about breathing in and breathing out. Do that 10 times and do that maybe three times a day and that's going to help you reconnect with yourself. And when we reconnect with ourselves, we start to relax. And when we start to relax, we begin to become open to other awarenesses, other thought patterns, other moments when light bulbs can come on. So getting out into nature is important, or just getting out and taking a walk. Lots of writers and composers and artists especially before 1900, always were taking walks. Scientists, inventors always taking a walk, clearing their thoughts, but still having. What I teach is that when you're on your walk and you can go on the walk and just relax and just focus on being unbusy, but you can also be on the walk and this is one of the things I stress with people Be on your walk and, in a relaxed way, think about the project that you're working on and let thoughts come into you. And I also suggest that people. 

This is a homework project that I give people. Pick a jazz group that's playing in your area, take if it's just you, just go with your partner, your significant other, go and enjoy the music. But also keep in your awareness your project. So let's say it's a team and the team is working on a project. I encourage the team to go. Let's say there are 10 of you. 

You all go to the jazz lounge, listen to the music, but you all have your project journals with you and journaling is one of the exercises that I highly encourage people to do, both with respect to just a personal journal but also project journals. So the team goes to listen to jazz and they have their journals. They're enjoying the jazz. They may be having some casual conversation, but they're also keeping in their awareness the project. As I go to jazz, my wife and I just went to a performance of Handel's Messiah on Sunday. As I'm there, I'm not just focusing on the music. I am doing that, but I also have inside my awareness the paintings that I'm working on. So there's a feedback loop that's happening, a natural feedback loop that I'm being informed by the music and the singers and the musicians, but they are also informing me about my work. 

The team one month goes to jazz, then the next month they may go to a museum and look at sculpture and paintings. The next month they may go to a to go look at five buildings, the architecture of five three to five buildings in their city or their town that have a significant presence. So they're looking at how the building looks, what they feel, the arrangement of the windows, the columns, the substance that is a brick, is a stone, is a steel, how much glass is there, how is the glass, how is it arranged, and then they do that on the inside. So each of these steps are ways in which people can I call it cross domain learning. So the architecture will inform you about your project, even though it may not make sense to the team members at first. But the more they practice this, the more they will understand when I'm experiencing other creativity, like a jazz or an orchestra, a poetry, slam, whatever it might be, and there's lots of options that people can plug into. When that happens, they're receiving lots of new information, lots of information that is in that world of the intangible that is going to feed their project or their widget that they're designing or they want to design. Sometimes it's direct. 

There's the story of the person who basically discovered and invented Velcro. I think he was from Scandinavia. He was out walking in a field and his either wool pants or wool socks grabbed hold of some weeds, basically, and he pulled one off and he looked at it really closely and the weeds had little teeth on them and then he realized that his wool socks kind of had little circles on them and they had this perfect connection and then he came up with Velcro. Just poof, the connection happened in nature. So we don't know when or how these connections happen. But if we don't put ourselves in these areas that have a high potential of information and connection, then we're less likely to experience those kinds of cross domain light bulbs, so to speak. Does that make sense? 

0:30:05 - Mehmet
100% you know, like it even resonated with some personal experience I had, you know, like you know. This is why, whatever situation I'm passing through, even sometimes, you know, you know this, like we are all humans, we pass through some time zones, but, yeah, it's like changing the place. Sometimes, you know, to go to place where you see something brand, something new, it can have direct effect. And also, because you know, I remember I read it in multiple books where they mentioned about, for example, thomas Edison, when he wanted to, you know, he used to go to Mendo Park, right, so he used to change the environment, so he got this inspiration and yeah, so a lot of things you know. Sometimes we don't figure it out because I think we don't want to move. 

And you just mentioned something extremely important, patrick, because, about you know, keep spinning and thinking about the spinning, so it's like you jail literally your mind there, yeah, in a circle, and you cannot go out of. Actually you can, I mean, you can't go out of the circle and you can't go out of the circle, and I think that's the point. I mean, and this is where you know the whole concept of you know, like the mindful, and you know and you just you know, to close your eyes, take deep breath. So, personally, something helped me a lot At least, you know like, even if it doesn't bring creativity, but it let me feel relaxed. You know like I feel myself doing better, and again you need to give yourself some time, you know, and then, and you get this. But how we can make sure, patrick, that, okay, we started to do this. We know that it's gonna take time. I started to get some signals. Okay, I'm on the right path. How I can sustain this, how I can keep it with me, yeah, that's-. 

Don't lose it again. 

0:32:08 - Patrick
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a super good question. So sustaining and maintaining are both parts of this big process that people are very, very interested in, and in some ways, the secret, so to speak, is in keeping something in your life that is creative. I do, as an example, I do what I call a morning meditation drawing. Every morning, I make a ink drawing in my journal. It's the first thing I do in the morning. I have coffee, I put a little music on, one of my cats sits on my lap and I make my drawing, and I have an Instagram site that I then post that drawing every morning and it's. I think I have six years of those drawings I draw. 

And this is the exercise, an exercise I do with people. And what's good about this exercise? It is something that you can do every day and it doesn't have to take very long. It's a simple prompt. You draw two circles and you make marks and I'm an artist and my circles and my mark. I'm making three circles this year. Some years I have done two circles. One year I did two circles and I used colored pencils, but mostly it's just black and white, so the prompt is just as I draw. The prompt is just as I do. 

I have this creative exercise that I do every day. And let's say, people, some people will only have maybe five minutes to draw their circles and make marks. That's fine, that's totally fine. It means that you're connecting to your creativity every day and that is what sustains us and maintains our, in a way, our creative strength. That if you don't do that, if it just kind of, if it starts to drift away and this is something that is so prevalent in the realm of training and in the world of workshops that people have this big experience in the workshop or when they're in the training and then a week later, or two weeks later or a month later, they're not doing it anymore. 

What I encourage people with journaling. Journaling is a way to remind ourselves every day. Journaling on paper and using a pen, not on a screen. The activity, the physical activity, is very important. Use in a pen and writing down your thoughts and your feelings. That will help you process your emerging, sustaining of your creativity, having a place to write about it and just say, well, I missed yesterday and I feel badly about that, but I'm going to do a drawing today and keep it. Keep it happening. It may be. 

You sing for five minutes, you may dance for five minutes, you may write poetry for five minutes, as long as it's something that you're, you have an excitement about and you can do it every day. And that is how to sustain it. We breathe as an example. We breathe every day, we have to, but if we have 10 breaths three times a day, that we're we're connecting to it, rather than how we usually breathe, which is just automatic. But that will key you in, and especially if you link the, the breathing, with your creativity, as a, both a physical and a and a mindful affirmation. We do things every day and we sustain them when they're meaningful and when we see obviously in the business world, when we see results and I strongly feel that you you begin to see results. 

Doing these simple, as I said, it could be five minutes, it could be half an hour, whatever, whatever amount of time that you, that you are able to connect to it may start out at five minutes, but then you, after a couple months, you think you know I need 15 minutes to do this exercise because I'm getting so much out of it. That's great. And so, as long as it's a consistent and persistent activity to to keep the, the sustaining aspects and them and the maintaining aspects alive, and it takes work, it takes a reminder with with people that are not artists. It is sometimes challenging. Even artists have challenges with this. I'm blessed because, for whatever reason I'm able to to, to make art wherever and whenever I find myself, you know it could be here in my studio or up in the house or wherever it might be On, you know, driving in a bus, in a plane. It happens, but it takes a, a kind of concentration, and that's what I assist people with is how maintenance and and sustaining are connected to a kind of focus and a kind of concentration that we have to concentrate on this. If we want to get to innovation, we have to have some processes that we sustain and that we maintain. That will make the innovation a more probable experience. 

There's there's a great quote from Louis Pasteur that and and this is in the context of his world in the 1800s. But he said let me, let me grab that from the, from the from the world out, here in the mind, world In the process. In the field of observation, chance favors the prepared mind. I'll say it again In the field of observation, chance favors the prepared mind, and I've changed that a little bit In the field of innovation. Chance favors the prepared mind, and so it's. It's honoring the space where things happen. We all know things happen, we have an idea. That's that's somewhat attributed to chance. But what Pasteur is saying? That it happens more often when you're prepared. And, as an artist, my studio was set up to prepare me to have those experiences of information. That's why I encourage people to have something in their office, in their team space, that prepares them to be creative, that sets them up in a way that they are. They're going to bump into better and better ideas, or bump into a big awareness. Does that make sense? 

0:40:15 - Mehmet
100% and I think you know, I hope and you know I'm having big hopes that a lot of entrepreneurs would be listening to this, because I think the whole thing about the journey of entrepreneurship is to stay in this state all the time, right, because it's not like, okay, I will be creative one time and I'm done. Like you know, it's not the case and I think what you mentioned, patrick, is something that you know because I listened, watched, read a lot. So it's about building the habit actually. So it's about building the healthy habit of being, of repeating something which is basically helping us. You know and this is you know, first time I saw it, I said really, like, really, and you can build habits. And there are a lot of books, a lot of, even you know, famous public speakers, that they mentioned this, that you know habits needs time. You need like 60 days or so to you know, to build them and actually know. You know, when I tried it, it worked for me. And you know the first step is to break the belief, whatever this bad belief is. So once you break that, you'll manage to do it. And the reason I just, you know, circled back to the entrepreneurs is, you know, because you work with a lot of businesses and you know you look at them again from another circle out. Sorry for another perspective. 

How important is for entrepreneurs for first time founders down the road, to foster this culture of creativity and which will lead, I'm sure, 100% based on the discussion that we've had now, patrick, it will lead for innovation, for sure. There is no way you know that innovation will not come right. But how, how we can build. You mentioned some stuff to go the team out and so on, but again, like, maybe to make it a little bit fancy, what is the spell here? You know so. 

So how me, if I am a an entrepreneur and I have, I started maybe with one co founder, maybe small team, but you know the team can grow. If everything goes fine, the team will grow. Today we are maybe 23, tomorrow we are 10, later we're going to be 50. But I want to maintain this because one of the things that always I ask, you know on the podcast, my guess is and this is something maybe from your angle, you can, you know, enlighten us. Once the team grows to, after certain point, things breaks and you know this culture fade. So how I can, as much as possible, keep this creativity, innovation culture within my business. 

0:43:09 - Patrick
Yeah, that's, that's a super great question and there's a lot of, there's a lot of parts to that. One of the first things I thought of what well one to begin is that entrepreneurs are some of the people who are most like artists. So they are, they are driven, they're passionate, they have an ability to focus on some very clear single goals and and and thoughts, and and they're connected to creativity very, very deeply. Often they don't realize it because they're so intense on their, their, their goal and their focus. One thing that I thought of is that we have examples, we have lots of examples, and especially before 1950, of, let's say, the example of Einstein. He played violin and he would use that, obviously, as I'm describing, to shift his awareness, shift his thinking patterns, shift his mindset, and it would open him up to the ability to, to access new information, new ideas, etc. My sense is that there are a lot of entrepreneurs who are gifted or and maybe gifted, or at least they have a connection to, that may be current. With respect to, let's say, playing a musical instrument, using the Einstein example let's say it's an electric guitar I would suggest that the CEO of the entrepreneur, the CEO, the founder there's three people in the company right now. I would suggest that he has his electric guitar and his amp in his office and he spends whatever five minutes a day, 10 minutes every few hours playing the guitar. Everybody sees that and that he continues to do that as the business grows. So there's an example modeling is so important. There's an example of Janice the CEO. There she is, she's playing a guitar and she does that four times a day. People understand that she's doing it not just to avoid things, but she's doing it because the culture within the company knows that that's such an important process to be involved with. Is her playing guitar? Or maybe it's her singing, or there's a guy that plays the drums, or whatever it might be. As long as they're practicing that behavior. 

Let's say they like to draw a paint. There's an easel in their studio, in their office, with a painting that is actually happening, not just a blank canvas and some paints nearby, but there's progress, that people can see that something is happening. So it builds into the culture, not just a ping-pong table or a foosball table or beanbags. Its culture is beyond that and a way that we can build a bigger culture in some ways with a capital C. Culture within a company is to connect it to the larger capital C culture of our world which involves the arts. 

So when people are expressing an artistic flair and all the team can see and that is encouraged to have part of your day involved in having some art project going on, it's going to spur everybody participating. People can see oh my God, that painting is really, that's great, it's really coming along. It doesn't have to be museum level painting or Carnegie Hall level piano playing. It simply needs to be self-expression. So I believe if people would be seeing that within the company culture as it grows say, he or she is playing guitar and there's just three of you in the company and then two years later there's 30 people in the company and you're still playing guitar in your office a couple times a day People and the inside the company culture that's encouraged to keep this stream alive of creativity rather than it becoming a drought, which you refer to, that People can do it for a little bit but then they kind of lose track of it. 

If you keep it flowing then it's going to assist in the flow of everybody else's stream of creativity that flows into a little river, into a bigger river and into the ocean of creativity, that everything can reverberate off of each other. That's where the maintenance and the sustaining of the creative qualities within a business will then keep going, because it builds off of each other. If the CEO is like wow, she hasn't played her guitar for a couple of days, I wonder what's going on. That will instill a different kind of connection that people will ask are you okay? What's going on? Are you distracted? I'll come in and I'll bring my conga in and we can do a little improv or whatever it might be, just to keep that going. 

People will notice when somebody's, if there's a painting and nothing's happened to the painting for a few days, you can say, hey, what's up with the painting, what's happening? How can I help? That's the little C in culture that so often companies are talking about. But I believe that there's an opportunity for us to bring our examples of the bigger C culture, which is global. Everybody on the planet has a connection to their local culture with a big C. The community in which you live has a relationship to music, has a relationship to image making, has a relationship to written and spoken word all over the world. That can be brought into the culture of your company to enliven your creative maintenance and sustaining qualities. Did that make sense? What's that? 

0:51:21 - Mehmet
100%. And actually, if you allow me, patrick, to just add, to simplify it also, I mean it applies to everything when it comes to entrepreneurship, which is leading by example. So I need to keep doing it. So the team okay, I'm doing it because even the founder is doing it, even my team leader is doing it, my manager is doing it, and when we keep this going on, we keep it kind of a natural flow within the company. So everyone you know and, by the way, I've seen a lot of companies that it's not necessarily when it comes to creativity or innovation, but they have some let's call them rituals which they've been doing for years now and everyone is happy about it. Why? Because the founder is doing it or the CEO is doing it, the leadership team is doing it. So, 100%, something true, I would say, patrick. Now, patrick, you know, as we're coming almost an end, what like wisdom words you want to keep with us today? 

0:52:40 - Patrick
Oh, thank you. Be creative. It's inside of you. You don't have to worry about not being creative because I guarantee you, when you were five years old, your creativity switch was on and it only went off when you went to sleep, and even then I think we were all dreaming super creative things when we were five and six years old. So I want to leave people with that. I want to leave people with that they can always reconnect and restore their authentic creativity and then apply it to whatever part of their life that they see needs it the most. And I think it can be applied across the board to your business, to your relationships, to your family, to your community, everything. The more creative we are, the better off we are 100%. 

0:53:47 - Mehmet
And Patrick, last thing where people can find more about you. 

0:53:53 - Patrick
Sure, my business website is called Satori Innovation and it can also be reached at Patrick Williams. Stay Creative that's the main domain name, but I pointed Satori Innovation to the site. And to look at my art, I have two art sites. One is PatrickWilliamscom and the other is CelebrationFlowerPaintingscom. I have two Instagram sites. One is the one I described earlier, that is PMW Creativity, and that's all drawings. I'm close to 2,500. And so it goes back six years, I think. And then PMW Underslash Camera is my photography site, where I post a new photograph every day, and there's a whole bunch of those now, and people can reach me at PatrickWilliamscom. I'd love to hear from anybody out there who's interested in restoring their creativity. 

0:55:04 - Mehmet
Cool. I will make sure that I will put all these website links in the show notes of this episode, so all the description, if you are watching this over YouTube. So you'll see all the links that Patrick mentioned. Now, patrick, really one of the episodes that I enjoyed the week today with you, because I love these topics. These topics are close to my heart. 

Of course, like it said, kind of a tech show, people think because of the name, but this has come back to basics, I would say, because just the fact you said, like when someone were five years old, actually they were creative and then a switch went off for a reason or another, but we can turn it on back, and this is why I enjoyed these deep insights that you gave us today, the advice that you gave us today, and I can claim somehow that I'm a live example as well. It's like it's been years. I remember when I was recording myself it was just a small anecdote before we close I was recording myself on the tape claiming to be a radio host. Right, because I wanted always to be a radio host someone who's an anchor maybe, I don't know, but I never did it. And then I took another route. 

And then, all of a sudden, something ticked in my mind. I said, okay, why I don't revive that? And by doing a podcast, okay, it might work. It might not right, but it's like something, as you mentioned, like something triggered me to do it. Okay, I think this relate to something I wanted to do way back in time and it's time to do it. And it's always back to all what you mentioned and you need to always keep in, I would say, receiving mode for these signals. So, 100%, I would agree on that to you, patrick. Well, thank you very much for your time Really, really, again, I enjoyed and So, for the audience, thank you for joining in If you are first time visitor here. Thank you very much for passing by. I hope you enjoy. Please subscribe if you didn't do yet and if you are a loyal audience. Thank you very much for all your messages and emails you send me and, of course, I hope to make sure that you are getting the best out of this podcast. So keep your feedbacks coming. Thank you very much and we'll meet again very soon. Thank you, bye-bye.